00:23:41 Reforesting Scotland: Morning everyone! Thanks for joining the gathering! Please feel free to use the chat throughout the day... We'll get started in a few minutes. 00:25:17 Ninian Stewart: What an interesting way to gather - wondering who is out there in the woods??? and how your forests are growing… 00:26:37 Sian McKinnon: we've recently got a visiting pine marten in our woods in D&G! 00:26:42 Iain Matthews: Morning all from just outside St Andrews, overcast and a bit blowy here today. Looking forward to a great day. 00:27:07 Robert Sproul-Cran: Hi everyone. Very much looking forward to today. I strewn a few leaves around inside to get in the mood… 00:27:18 Benedict Bate: Good morning from sunny Edinburgh 00:27:19 Andy Robinson: Sunny windy morning on the Isle Of Mull. Hi everyone! 00:27:24 Simon Stuart: Good morning from Paisley. 00:27:30 Ben Marshall: Morning all from Bristol 00:27:31 Donald McPhillimy: Blue skies just appearing in the Scottish Borders. Looking forward to seeing lots of reforesters. 00:27:40 Alan Carter: And from sunny Aberdeen 00:27:52 Andrew Thompson: Good morning from me and Felicity Martin in sunny Comrie. Hope you’re all well. 00:28:07 Ninian Stewart: I’ve been gathering acorns… surplus this year…squirrels can’t keep up… 00:28:22 Vicky Wilson: Also in Comrie! 00:28:36 Sian McKinnon: Yes - a mast year for many of our oaks.... 00:28:37 Amanda Calvert: Morning all from Boat of Garten 00:28:41 Sandra Davison: Good morning from Aberdeenshire, just had a quick walk in our local wood (Denlethen) at Laurencekirk. Sun shining - at the moment! 00:28:46 Andrew Thompson: We’ve collected about 5,500 acorns this year! 00:29:25 Ninian Stewart: the old and new forest of falkland -misty and grey…sense some rain on way 00:31:57 Matt Hay: Hi everybody - nice to see so many folk tuning in! Looking forward to a great day :) 00:32:19 Caroline Weinberger: Morning from Dura Den woods just east of Cupar. Clear and sunny here. 00:32:22 Donald McPhillimy: How many expected? 00:32:46 Amanda Calvert: around 300 expected 00:33:14 Donald McPhillimy: Yay! More than any otherGathering. 00:33:32 Nathan Berrie: Good morning from Fort William folks! 00:33:49 Ninian Stewart: Wow Andrew 5,500 acorns is spectacular - start of a new forest …good on you & Felicity 🙏 00:34:32 tim vincent-smith: Hello everyone. Same sun beaming in over Arthur’s Seat in Edinburgh! 00:37:13 Liz Murdoch: not really and you were a bit faint Alan too 00:37:20 JanieB Smit: Please mute all other microphones, getting lots of interference. 00:37:25 Colin Duncan: can't hear a word 00:37:42 JanieB Smit: Other microphones interfering, please mute all others. 00:38:24 Alan Carter: We're working on it. All panellists please mute microphones 00:38:25 Andrew Thompson: Can Duncan show his screen full screen please, without noe 00:40:35 Colin Duncan: still no sound 00:40:57 Ninian Stewart: great 00:42:36 Andrew Thompson: Good 00:42:47 Ninian Stewart: yes good 00:51:22 Liz Murdoch: + 00:52:27 Liz Murdoch: What an inspiration. .. 00:55:53 Sandra Davison: Wow … neither wonder you became a Norwegian citizen! 01:01:54 Sandra Davison: Love the way nature is allowed to do the heavy lifting 01:02:58 Matt Hay: That picture is great to see. Shows what places like Rannoch Moor might look like… 01:03:54 Amanda Calvert: We will share the link to the carbon document 01:04:27 Peter Lowe: Thanks Amanda 01:19:12 Sandra Davison: Living landscapes, not “wet deserts” - amazing presentation! 01:22:34 Matt Hay: I feel like Duncan should give this presentation to the Scottish government 01:23:02 Sian McKinnon: hear hear. 01:23:14 Robert Sproul-Cran: Yes. 01:23:29 Matt Hay: He needs to give it again, and again, and again 01:23:37 Crinan Alexander: They might have to be forced to attend! 01:23:40 Matt Hay: Until they act 01:24:23 Hillary Sillitto: Matt Hay, I think he has given this presentation to ScotGov! 01:24:24 JanieB Smit: Hearing not just listening would be key during these presentations. 01:24:32 JanieB Smit: Too easy to just smile and wave. 01:24:40 Robert Sproul-Cran: Yeah, indeed. 01:24:59 Matt Hay: Maybe our national parks could take the lead, then? 01:26:26 JanieB Smit: Communities for me is so important, too much power has been handed over to the few who only looks after capital gain instead of genuinely being concerned about the long term well being of those living and farming the land. (wide brush I know) 01:26:57 JanieB Smit: Transition towns are really achieving great results. 01:28:41 Ninian Stewart: i thought the slide showing mixed income sources for landholders is contains the data that could shift this old, persistent problem - from cabins/huts, hunting (for the many not the few) etc. But all sorts of folk don’t want to go there for all sorts of reasons.. time for culture change that can help folk (& SG) to see differently 01:29:46 Robert Sproul-Cran: Yes, exactly. 01:31:27 Gillian Rae: I have to admit I winced when I heard 'much better trophy heads'. I am not against culling but can we move on from this behaviour? 01:31:40 Peter Lowe: likewise on Derry Cairngorm at about the same height 01:32:06 Matt Hay: One SP sapling was found growing happily above 900 metres below the Angel’s Peak, on the other side of the Lairig Ghru 01:32:27 Sandra Davison: So, if I were a landowner with a vast estate, and I could offer better hunting of bigger deer, amongst a challenging environment of regenerated woodland … er, why wouldn’t I want to do that? I really do not understand the mindset of landowners who wouldn’t do that. Perhaps the conversation at the Scottish Parliament needs to consider something along these lines? 01:33:17 Robert Sproul-Cran: Sandra, I presume that clear moors give stalking for grouse and deer? but I really don’t know. 01:34:15 Peter Lowe: Because the capital value of a sporting estate is closely linked t the number of stags shot...therefore ushes owners to maintain high levels 01:34:28 Peter Lowe: pushes! 01:36:15 JanieB Smit: Although I understand the hunting practise, I find it so hard to get on board with this income stream. 01:36:42 Hillary Sillitto: Excellent, many tahnks 01:36:51 Hillary Sillitto: thanks 01:36:54 Mark Hanlon: Thanks Duncan! 01:36:59 JanieB Smit: Great information, thank you for sharing Duncan. 01:36:59 Peter Lowe: All this has to paid for or provide an income stream for people on the land somehow 01:37:07 Donald McPhillimy: Brilliant. Brought back memories of the Norway Study Tour. 01:37:09 Hazel MacLean: fantastic talk! 01:37:13 Sam Guthrie: Immensely inspiring blueprint for our future. Thank you 01:37:13 Tim Collins: ….pdf please. 01:37:34 Caz Austen: Fantastic talk thank you! 01:37:38 Sandra Davison: Can we slowly amend the capital valuation to be based on biodiversity. I know we shouldn’t put a value on Nature - to avoid commodifying it - but, money talks (as they say), and if it helps move people in the better direction towards biodiversity, then is it a tool worth considering? 01:37:44 Sian McKinnon: Thank you so much. This has been amazing to see, and I hope to rewatch it for more detail 01:37:47 Sandra Davison: Fantoosh!!! 01:37:48 Ninian Stewart: excellent presentation 01:37:50 Juliana Radke da Silva: amazing! thanks! 01:37:54 Robert Sproul-Cran: A LOT of very valuable info. Thank you. 01:38:00 Andy Robinson: Thank you! 01:38:06 Baz Penman: Thanks Duncan. Excellent!! 01:38:10 Gillian Rae: Really interesting thanks!!! 01:38:18 Ben Marshall: Thanks! Amazing! 01:38:19 Gregor Watson: tusen tak! great clear presentation thank you! 01:38:20 Iain Matthews: Thanks Duncan. 01:38:25 Peter Caunt: Yes Glenfeshie is truly remarkable 01:38:28 Nicky Penford: Brilliant inspiring stuff many thanks 01:38:32 Charlotte Hay: Thanks so much for an excellent talk. I've learnt a lot! Role on regeneration. 01:38:41 Matt Hay: If any folk are on Twitter please tweet about the sessions today using the hashtag #RSGathering 01:38:53 Louise Ross: Thanks for a really inspiring talk Duncan - we can only hope that Scotland follows in Norway's footsteps, not just ecologically speaking but also socially. 01:39:39 Mark Hanlon: yes :) 01:39:40 Nicky Penford: yes can see it 01:39:44 Sandy Davidson: yes 01:39:50 Andrew Thompson: yes fne 01:41:25 Patricia Bryden: from Pat Bryden Great to see one of my favourite places: love Eigg and the way you have all made it the inspiring place and community it is. 01:41:54 Matt Hay: If any folk are on Twitter please tweet about the sessions today using the hashtag #RSGathering 01:42:25 Matt Hay: Be good to spread the word so people can watch the recording of these sessions and enjoy talks like the one’s we’ve been hearing! 02:11:19 Alan Carter: Send chats to 'All panellists and attendees'. Only a handful of us see it if it's to All Panellists 02:12:06 Hugh Chalmers: Thanks Allan! What an amazing story! 02:12:33 Jonathan Dale: oh just relized amazing 02:12:55 Rebecca Simpson: both talks very inspiring for potential future picture for Scotland 02:13:06 JanieB Smit: Super impressed with your community efforts Maggie, well done to Eigg, wishing you best of luck with ongoing and new projects. Thank you for sharing. 02:13:29 Liz Murdoch: @Rebecca Continue watching the other presentations....! 02:13:43 Willie Whitelaw: Thanks Alan, keep reminding us to select chat to: “All panelists and attendees” It’s easy to miss that. 02:14:24 Jonathan Dale: wow own brewery sounds amazing, such a wonderful talk renewable energy housing deveopmernt, and tree nusery and housing regeneration love th ebunch of random people, who needs pefect when built amazing development sustainable project insperatinal 02:15:24 Ninian Stewart (rec): Inspiring work Maggie - what a bunch of random folk - love your story & your passion ❤️ 02:15:29 Andy Robinson: Thank you! 02:15:38 Mandy Meikle: Great to hear the latest, Maggie. It's been a few years since you showed me around and I'm delighted you're forging ahead! Excellent talk and an inspiration to all! 02:15:52 Nicky Hume: What an incredible success story! Thank you Maggie! 02:15:59 Caz Austen: A really inspiring story, thank you! 02:16:01 Adrian Rose: Hooooray! Brilliant Stuff! 02:16:03 Hugh Chalmers: incredible! But real! 02:16:06 Douglas Dalgleish: Thank you Maggie. Impressive evidence of the reality that land ownership is empowering. 02:16:08 Lee Paton: Just incredible. Shows what can be achieved 02:16:11 Rebecca Simpson: brilliant story! thanks Maggie 02:16:32 Reforesting Scotland: Amazing Maggie, really enjoyed that! 02:17:05 Nicky Penford: Thanks Maggie great to see you still so involved. 02:17:42 Bill Wilson: How much has the population of Eigg grown ? 02:17:54 Hazel MacLean: wow! just shows that the limits are people's imagination! 02:20:42 Jonathan Dale: hanks Maggie insperational 02:22:09 Alan Carter: Chat still open! 02:22:20 Nicky Hume: Reforesting Scotland would love to see where viewers are joining us from today! If you would like to, please add your location to this map. Just click “add marker” at the top right. No need to include any personal details or your address, just your nearest Town or Village and an optional message: http://getethermap.org/m/reforesting-scotland-virtual-gathering-2020-attendees-map 02:28:30 Nicky Hume: It’s great that you can join us today Maria! 02:30:34 Willie Whitelaw: yes 02:30:48 Ninian Stewart (rec): aye - can hear you Peter 02:36:34 Douglas Coulter: Great cycle across from Greenock to Largs - the Old Largs Road. 02:43:38 Liz Murdoch: Degraded landscape is linked to degraded communities - serious flooding in the local communities has led to damage to homes and livelihoods. 02:44:41 Sandra Davison: No sound? 02:44:47 Douglas Coulter: You’ve muted the sound. 02:45:03 Sandy Davidson: Works now 02:47:33 Reforesting Scotland: Is that better for folk? 02:47:43 Robert Sproul-Cran: Aye. Cheers 02:47:44 Hugh Chalmers: lovely 02:47:45 Andy Robinson: yes 02:47:46 Douglas Coulter: Bang on. 02:47:47 Stuart Leslie: aye that's a bit better 02:51:43 Peter Livingstone: Root cuttings and micropropagation 02:52:39 JanieB Smit: The future is tied up in the locals, the ongoing success of projects and the longevity of these are all about hard working locals. It makes me feel so so excited and I hope to get more and more involved in helping to regenerate and create areas that do not place more pressure on the climate and the people. 02:55:55 Peter Livingstone: email me Alan: peter@eadha.co.uk 02:56:18 JanieB Smit: Thank you Peter, will do. 02:58:47 Bill Boggia: Those young folk have got good heads on their shoulders ! 02:59:41 B. Hil: What amazingly articulate children 02:59:43 Stephanie Young: Great to hear the young people, their knowledge and their passion. 03:00:04 Reforesting Scotland: Great to see the chat so busy. You can send messages just to panelists, or to "all panelists and attendees" depending on who you want to see it. 03:00:37 Douglas Coulter: That wee man was totally on top of the salmon lifecycle thing :) 03:01:05 Hugh Chalmers: and on river restoration! 03:01:19 Andy Robinson: Hi Peter. Can I email you about the Mull Aspen Project? I spoke to you last year at the gathering. Yearn Stane project looks great! 03:01:33 Willie Whitelaw: This film is brilliant! 03:01:39 Eileen Allan: Yes he sure 03:01:54 Matt Hay: Once again, Norway leading the way 03:01:56 JanieB Smit: For anyone interested in young adults, this is also a great little video of how youngsters are in engaged in Australia, and how this helps them think about their own futures. https://vimeo.com/469390788 03:02:53 Jonathan Dale: i feel lots to learn from Norway a lot of money for what your small farm area an danimals can produce instead of big subsities for huge large scale farming 03:04:13 Mandy Meikle: Great stuff, Peter - so good to see how the project is coming on. If you or colleagues have time to write a wee Journal article let me know! E: journal@reforestingscotland.org 03:05:06 Stephanie Young: Big question there about the career options offered to young people 03:05:12 Mandy Meikle: Wow, "there could be millions of jobs by the time we grow up" - what a spokesperson!! 03:05:42 Matt Hay: @Mandy - get the kids to write a wee piece for the journal? 03:06:13 JanieB Smit: Great film, thank you for sharing. 03:06:24 Andy Robinson: Nice! 03:06:29 Jacqueline Fletcher: Thank you! This is a wonderful all-round vision of what is possible and achievable. It’s is really cheering me up! 03:06:53 Hazel MacLean: lots of potential! 03:07:01 Adrian Rose: Beautiful film indeed - not least for the voices of the school age people 03:09:43 Reforesting Scotland: Still a few minutes for questions if you have any - ask via the q&a panel 03:13:04 Eileen Allan: Hi Andy Roberson, Could you send us (Uigshader living forest project) Near Portree on your email about your Aspen project , ours is uigshader@gmail.com 03:15:14 Andy Robinson: Will do Eileen Allan. 03:15:59 Eileen Allan: cheers 03:17:17 Matt Hay: Thanks Peter! 03:17:21 Sandra Davison: Yet another really amazing presentation and project 03:17:39 Sian McKinnon: Thank you. Very poignant. 03:17:40 Eileen Allan: Thank you , that was very interesting and positive 03:17:54 Hugh Chalmers: fantastic - so much has been done already, and so much more to go... 03:18:26 Joe Greenlees: Peak of hen harriers in the Regional park was 13 pairs. Over the last decade its been between 3-0 pairs. 03:18:32 Peter Livingstone: Yearnstane has a facebook page but no website 03:18:53 Donald McPhillimy: Great project. Starting from a very low base but with a lot of opportunities. The local people are key. The next generation gives you hope. 03:19:16 Andy Robinson: Im interested in connecting with anyone else growing Aspen in Scotland. Or anywhere else for that matter! 03:21:23 Alan Carter: Another reminder to send chats to 'All panellists and attendees'. 'All panellists' only goes to speakers and organisers. 03:21:48 Douglas Coulter: Is anybody else experiencing jittery service. I may move and get better signal if it’s us… 03:21:57 Alan Carter: Q&A is best for questions to speakers 03:22:06 JanieB Smit: Smooth for me Duncan 03:23:01 Gus Routledge: Re: Duncan's point about trees growing right down on the shoreline, Loch a'Mhuilinn in the NW Highlands has some excellent examples of exactly what woodland will put up with in Scotland. Downy birch, grey willow, sessile oak, hazel, aspen all right down by the shoreline being blasted by the winds from the Atlantic. https://www.flickr.com/photos/123521075@N07/50149439952/in/album-72157715230929703/ 03:24:39 Karin Chipulina: Thanks,children so inspiring,full of energy ,what we need. 03:26:57 Reforesting Scotland: Thankyou David, and we definitely value the feedback. It's our first time and we are open to changing the format in future if it could work better another way. There will be a feedback link sent after the event for you to submit suggestions and let us know what you thought. 03:27:26 Andrew Thompson: I think the format is great; it makes this content accessible to many more people. 03:27:30 Colin Duncan: I can help create a website I do content management for my library service in Inverclyde could an article be written about the project in local newspapers to publicise it? to garner local support? 03:36:30 Tracy Christie: make a website on wix with your own domain for about £60 a year. it’s how I built my school’s parent council website in a day. https://www.wix.com/ 03:38:30 Alan Carter: I'd go to a seaweed festival :) 03:42:05 Reforesting Scotland: Apologies folks :) 03:44:24 Liz Murdoch: Small is beautiful – a microscosm of the outside world – showing what could be possible on a larger scale. 03:48:33 Peter Livingstone: That's our challenge here. We are so far removed from what was here and we have no archaeobotanical data. Soils are so depleted, and no local seed source, so we are looking at a post glacial landscape to a certain degree. Hardy pioneers first! 03:48:47 Duncan Halley: I agree with the interviewees about this being about a living landscape for people; both Scotland and S&W Norway have been 'cultural landscapes' for thousands of years. 03:50:54 Peter Livingstone: Thats why our focus has been aspen - ot here and not likely to get here apart from 5 lone trees/clones. We have now planted 10,000 aspen establishing 100 clones of both sexes and then let them get on with it. 03:54:12 Donald McPhillimy: Isle Martin. I wonder if they would plant it differently if they were doing it today. I suspect not- wide range of species and let nature sort itself out. 03:54:33 Andrew Thompson: @Peter Livingstone Is it possible to determine the sex of aspen clones or seedlings from genetic DNA testing methods? 03:56:18 Fi Martynoga: please remember that most of the early expertise of Bernard and Emma and many others is still available in the volume 'A Handbook of Scotland's Trees'. it collects the items on individual species from a series that the RS journal ran over about 18 years. Available from the RS office if you can't find it in a bookshop, although it's often there. 03:57:13 Ninian Stewart: So enjoying this trip back in time - to the natural and cultural roots of our vibrant organisation that has and continues to inspire so many of us 🙏☘️🐝🌳🌱 03:57:38 Liz Murdoch: Thanks Ninian 03:57:41 Jill Bowis: I call my small land "Living Larders" .. so much potential to produce for habitat, humans, livestock pollinators, .. food, fuel, shelter, other materials .. and biosphere 03:59:36 Peter Caunt: For those that do not know the Aspen is a cloning tree and having been given a few by Rick Worrell we are now being seriously invaded by the suckers! 04:00:11 Douglas Coulter: Must have been incredibly satisfying to see this transformed from virtually nothing - not least the recovery of the bird life. 04:01:44 Liz Murdoch: @ Janice - there is a website, IsleMartin.org, and further films on YopTube and maybe vimeo. Plenty of early articles in the earlier issues of the RS Journal 04:01:45 Andrew Thompson: Never plant an aspen on the edge of your vegetable patch!! 04:02:32 Amanda Calvert: Its a great book 04:02:49 Alan Carter: When I was tree planting we always put a few aspens in to fill up gaps if other trees died! 04:04:09 Liz Murdoch: There is a stand of aspen in back gardens in Portobello tenements in Edinburgh, about 50 years old and wreaking havoc with the tenement foundations! 04:04:30 David Leslie: I planted a few aspen from Eadha on the edge of a clearing - looking forward to the proliferation! 04:04:31 Robert Sproul-Cran: A lot of really interesting thoughts on which species to plant. Is there some mythical (or historic, even) woodland composition that should be aimed for? Or do you chuck a bunch of native species in there, and let the climate keep what it wants (and what facilitates us integrating into the landscape)? 04:04:42 Peter Livingstone: Yep not a garden tree! Forget Japanese knotweed 04:05:10 Liz Murdoch: got that as well! 04:05:30 Peter Livingstone: Fascinating to see its potential to stabilise scree! 04:05:39 Hugh Chalmers: what happened to the bunnies? Where is all the willow regeneration on the isle martin moor? looks very bare.. 04:07:02 Alan Carter: A bit of both Robert. You wouldn't plant a pinewood mix in obvious Atlantic oakwood country, but beyond that I think it's best to put in diversity and let the environment make choices. 04:07:30 David Leslie: Yes to that point about stabilising scree, hope the highway and rail engineers are taking note 04:08:08 Hugh Chalmers: aspen for river bank stabilisation, and for coppicing by beavers! 04:08:14 Liz Murdoch: @Hugh, Bernard wrote that the rabbits were completely wiped out by a combination of myxomatosis and RVHD probably around 2011. 04:08:34 Robert Sproul-Cran: Thanks, Alan. 04:09:01 Liz Murdoch: @Hugh About the willow, not so sure... 04:11:15 Alan Carter: Maybe no seed source until the planted trees get going? 04:14:07 Hugh Chalmers: but no deer on Isle martin, so where is the blown willow seed regen? and the birch tree seeds which have been planted? 04:14:54 Liz Murdoch: Interesting question... I believe nat. regen can require an incredibly long time 04:15:27 Hugh Chalmers: maybe need turf disturbance? 04:15:51 Peter Livingstone: Pigs and cattle in a managed system? 04:16:01 Donald McPhillimy: What happened in SW Norway that was different? 04:16:08 Jill Bowis: There is food being produced and more natural species of fruit, nuts, perennial veg and herbs could be productive without compromising habitat 04:16:20 Duncan Halley: Are you sure there are no deer? They swim well and it's not far. 04:16:41 Jill Bowis: Small area of Regenerative grazing of cattle and pigs would help not hinder 04:16:59 Alan Carter: Yes, I'd be surprised if deer weren't swimming across 04:17:14 Jill Bowis: Deer are good food too. : 04:17:19 Ninian Stewart: beautiful thank you Bernard, brendan and all 04:17:23 Hugh Chalmers: Bernard mentioned earlier that the maybe could, but were unusual...surely less than 15/km2 04:17:36 Mandy Meikle: That was amazing! Thank you all. 04:17:45 Douglas Coulter: Top quality video. 04:17:48 Andy Robinson: Very good thank you! 04:18:00 Fi Martynoga: wonderful! thank you Bernard and Brendan. 04:18:02 JanieB Smit: Lovely video, so much to learn. 04:18:12 Anne Suess: Thank you. 04:18:54 Nicky Hume: Just a reminder that Reforesting Scotland would love to see where viewers are joining us from today! If you would like to, please add your location to this map. Just click “add marker” at the top right. No need to include any personal details or your address, just your nearest Town or Village and an optional message: http://getethermap.org/m/reforesting-scotland-virtual-gathering-2020-attendees-map 04:19:59 Liz Murdoch: Interesting - Variants of Scots pine on west coast originating in SW Ireland, different from species in Grampian region. Does anyone else know anything about this? 04:20:57 Liz Murdoch: To answer some of the questions in this chat, the history has been written by Bernard will be made available on our website as a blog. 04:21:02 Donald McPhillimy: Great ecological experiment but probably a lack of ecological monitoring over the years. Plenty of anecdotal evidence an intelligent joining of the dots. 04:21:32 Matt Hay: Another theory is that the pines retreated to land which is now below sea level, way out west, and recolonised NW Scotland from there 04:21:40 Sandy Davidson: Hugh, I would say rabbits would have been the main problem for willow regeneration, deer maybe on the island occasionally as Bernard says but why swim across for pretty poor grazing that they can get on the mainland - so probably not at high enough densities to be a problem for regeneration. But if rabbits only disappeared within the last 20 years or so, that’s not very long for natural regeneration, even of pioneer species, to occur in a deforested landscape… 04:22:10 Donald McPhillimy: Liz- monoturpines! Yes, there are scientific papers on this topic. 04:22:43 Reforesting Scotland: There's a question that came in asking if there is hazel on Isle Martin. Does anyone know this? 04:23:03 Sandy Davidson: Yes, I thought variation of SP had been shown by studies from Beinn Eighe etc.? 04:23:07 Liz Murdoch: @Donald is that a cross between a turtle and a hydroscheme? 04:26:47 Pat Bryden: from Pat Bryden. Elder berries make wonderful jelly, also wine and juice. And if there are blueberries, they are small but 04:26:55 Sandy Davidson: Yes 04:31:08 Hugh Chalmers: another excellent presentation. 04:31:40 Andy Robinson: I missed the beginning. Where is this please? 04:31:57 Hugh Chalmers: I love the statement ' its easier to work in the wet when you know you have a shelter to go to'! 04:32:10 Nicky Hume: rural Stirlingshire with Susan and Willie Whitelaw 04:32:21 Andy Robinson: Thanks. 04:32:36 Willie Whitelaw: West Stirlingshire, near Aberfoyle 04:32:57 Donald McPhillimy: Lovely to see your wood again Willie & Susan. It's coming on well. You seem to be really getting to know it. 04:32:59 Douglas Coulter: Great job with the shelter! 04:33:01 Amanda Calvert: Lovely Film Willie 04:33:31 Donald McPhillimy: Working and relaxing, lovely. 04:34:10 Andy Robinson: Lovely thanks! 04:34:38 Alan Carter: Lovely video. A very important point about the balance of work and play and nice to hear some music :) 04:34:44 Ninian Stewart: 😀aye a family wood - enjoy the energy 04:34:57 Jonathan Dale: wow thank you so much for sharing so inspiring 04:35:03 Dee Orlowska: Such a wonderful and inspirational video - thank you 04:35:12 Jonathan Dale: from Johnny 04:35:27 Donald McPhillimy: A hut would be great. And a sauna! 04:36:38 Donald McPhillimy: Have you been able to use the larch timber in your building projects? 04:38:21 Dee Orlowska: I'd go to a Forest Bathing training in Scotland - looking forward to Sue starting this! 04:38:49 Andy Robinson: Nice to see you Willie and Susan! 04:39:03 David Leslie: Thank you, Willie and Susan. Same for me with oak seedlings. The few bigger oaks don't seem to produce many acorns, so any seedlings I spot, get a protector on as soon as I can 04:39:42 Andy Robinson: I’m with you on beech. 04:40:11 Sandy Davidson: Beech woodlands can be very diverse in terms of fungi, I have heard…? 04:40:11 Sian McKinnon: fantastic. Thanks Willie and Susan 04:42:36 Maria Meyer: In our area is the hotspot for beeches. These beech woodlands have indeed many variations, and many funghi in autumn. So, depending on the soil they can look very different 04:42:58 Alan Carter: @ Sandy. Yes, they invest heavily in mycorrhizal fungi which helps them to dominate established woods. The trouble is that they aren't native to Scotland so a lot of the associated fungi and plants are missing. 04:46:10 Maria Meyer: You are right. But due to climate change you have maybe to think new, vegetation will change in wide areas. So here beeches start to suffer from dry summers ….. 04:48:27 Andy Robinson: Great to see the croft Al! 04:48:31 JanieB Smit: Thank you Al, looking great. 04:48:34 Hugh Chalmers: Al, that's wonderful, thanks! 04:49:17 Douglas Coulter: Looks fab. Thanks for sharing. 04:49:38 Willie Whitelaw (rec): Inspiring example Al & Aurora 04:52:31 Liz Murdoch: including your smallholding on Shetland, how long have you been working in smallholdings? 04:53:03 David Leslie: Just looked at the web site and saw mention of the tiny homes business, was that even mentioned amongst all the other aspects of the croft? 04:53:05 Andy Robinson: whats it called again the wood chips? 04:56:40 Al Whitworth: Ramial Chipped Wood 04:56:52 Andy Robinson: Thanks. 04:57:05 Al Whitworth: the key is using small diameter (ramial) wood 04:57:43 Andy Robinson: ideal if you’re rubbish at making baskets! 04:58:16 Al Whitworth: Interesting Laura, thanks 05:00:29 Willie Whitelaw (rec): Re; buying our Wee Wood, we bought it from a local man whom we already knew from living nearby. Just luck that he was selling at the same time we had some money and our heads were full of woods and huts after discovering Reforesting Scotland and The Thousand Huts campaign. We heard about the sale from someone we met at The Big Tent Festival 2012. 05:05:49 Pat Bryden: from Pat Bryden. Great to see Falkland and all that goes on. Do you have an orchard? Who are involved? 05:06:14 Grace Banks: Are you working with local schools in Fife. There are so many youngsters needing to connect to the land 05:06:17 Liz Murdoch: 1000 Huts site is actively trying to connect landowners with buyers / tenants 05:06:25 Andy Robinson: Interesting thank you! 05:06:34 Maria Meyer: Thank you very much, Ninian 05:06:52 Andrew Thompson: Yes to a hut building workshop Ninian. 05:07:02 Bill Wilson: Special place and special people 05:07:21 Sian McKinnon: Thank you. Such thoughtful and complex developments. 05:20:10 Douglas Coulter: Good luck Tony! Fantastic project. 05:20:14 Jacqueline Fletcher: Thank you Tony for being so caring and generous. It’s an inspiration. xxx 05:20:17 Sian McKinnon: Thank you. A great project. 05:20:24 Willie Whitelaw (rec): Thanks Tony. 05:20:30 David Leslie: Thank you Tony, will look out for the crowdfunding 05:20:38 Ninian Stewart: Hut of Wellbeing is so much of what RS and 1000 huts is about - a privilyge to be involved 05:20:42 Anne Suess: Thank you, great session. 05:21:48 Alan Carter: We had more offers of visits than we had time for. Did folk enjoy this format and would an event along the same lines make a good stand alone event? 05:22:47 Jacqueline Fletcher: Yes, please, that would be a great stand-alone event. Wonderful Idea! 05:23:37 Anne Suess: Yes, I'd be interested in a stand alone event like that. 05:24:31 Peter Lowe: Think it would be a good idea Alan, it's been quite inspirational 05:25:28 David Carruth: Hi everyone sorry im late :) 05:31:19 David Somervell: I support the idea of a stand alone “Show and Tell” session. SEDA has traditionally done this as a a Pecha Kucha style 5 minutes each quick fire with drinks etc as a Seasonal Meetup just before Christmas. Perhaps we could mimic this? But please run it as a Zoom Meeting … with Breakout groups so we can chat. David Somervell 05:31:35 Amanda Calvert: Hi David 05:31:58 Amanda Calvert: There will be breakout rooms available tonight if you are joining us 05:34:13 Amanda Calvert: Great - maybe chat later then 05:35:03 B. Hil: The word Rewilding was coined by Earth First! in 1990: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rewilding_(conservation_biology) 05:36:26 Duncan Halley: As a working scientist, I agree! 05:37:10 Hugh Chalmers: Excellent Roy! I agree totally - don't delay by more investigations and monitoring, lets get on with it! 05:37:18 Scott Ferguson: Yes - but we do need monitoring 05:38:46 Pat Bryden: Hear Hear. Thank you for putting it direct and true! 05:38:51 Philip Ashmole: Good for you, Roy 05:38:52 Hugh Chalmers: but don't let it stop us doing ecological restoration, and we need to start now, 05:39:24 Lee Paton: Cracking! 05:39:24 Andy Robinson: Yup! 05:39:30 Jonathan Dale: can i say to that their are young people making huge differnces starting way before now 05:39:44 Scott Ferguson: Agreed - but if we don't do some monitoring then you don't learn how to improve. 05:40:02 Nicky Penford: Great sentiments Roy well said 05:40:55 Hugh Chalmers: Matt, consensus is good, but it was not apparent in the early days of Glenfeshie, or Mar Lodge, which are now such an inspiration, 05:41:17 Rebecca Simpson: Well said Roy - it has to be now! 05:41:21 Matt Hay: Very true, Hugh! 05:42:20 Jonathan Dale: great Rory love what he said money needs to be spent on and directed in the correct channels and not trident nuclear weapons 05:44:56 Hugh Chalmers: At Carrifran, we had, to put it politely, a lack of consensus from some local people, who strongly objected to the removal of feral goats. We held firm, removed the goats, and Carrifran is now a flagship for rewilding, though we called it ecological restoration... 05:45:58 Jonathan Dale: wow All that's so wonderful great deterimination 05:47:41 Liz Murdoch: Does Alan feel that the low population around the Dundreggan area is an advantage for rewilding? 05:47:50 Andy Robinson: TFL have come a long way since i did a work week in ’92! Vision! 05:49:09 Philip Ashmole: TfL has been an inspiration to us since before BFT existed. And the scale of your ambition is wonderful. But we are coming along in the southern upln 05:50:22 Scott Ferguson: Good point about nature as a catalyst for social and economic regeneration. 05:51:13 Hugh Chalmers: TfL vision is vast! Brilliant. Had a workweek there in '92 and 93 in Glen Affric with Scottish Wildlife Trust 05:53:17 Liz Murdoch: Welcome Helen ! Great to hear that you can offer them a safe place.. 06:02:31 Scott Ferguson: Great presentation. Wish I could bring beavers to the Seven Lochs project on the edge of Glasgow. 06:02:59 Hugh Chalmers: Hi Scott, why not??? Just ask Derek Gow! 06:03:13 Ann McKillop: Scott, that would be amazing. 06:04:07 Hillary Sillitto: can’t see screen 06:04:25 Scott Ferguson: Do beavers and water voles get on? 06:04:49 David Shand: Any plans to expand to Eastern Cairngorms? 06:04:49 Pat Bryden: Please can you raise your voice,Chrit/ 06:05:09 Hillary Sillitto: are you showing slides? can’t see them. 06:05:39 Matt Hay: @Hillary - he is sharing slides, yes 06:06:14 Tim Collins: View options - fit to screen. ; ) 06:06:25 Hillary Sillitto: no, can’t see them, just him on big and small images 06:06:54 Andy Robinson: Click on view top right 06:07:08 Hugh Chalmers: Chris Donald, so true about having the right individuals, especially in FLS or similar institutions, who really just want a quiet life! (In my humble experience..) 06:07:20 Crinan Alexander: Do beavers and water voles get on? Apparently yes - see Derek Gow's excellent book 06:07:39 Hillary Sillitto: top left in my case got it now 06:07:44 Andrew Thompson: Scott, water voles do much better where they occupy beaver ponds. the often find refuge and wnter food alongside beavers in their lodges. 06:10:00 Scott Ferguson: Thanks Crinan / Andrew. Water voles from Seven Lochs have gone to Derek previously - maybe he'd give us some beavers in return... 06:10:33 Crinan Alexander: Fair exchange! 06:13:18 Peter Livingstone: Do we need a practical manual on the hows? Building on for example BFT's great book. Should this even go into the detail of NVCs and succession? Especially where like Yearnstane here, we are starting with so little. What plants should we introduce? What are the keystone species to target? 06:13:30 Andy Robinson: People can be active in ecological restoration. It makes them feel useful! 06:14:40 Hugh Chalmers: Peter, Bernard Planterrose has just written a book, published by Woodland Trust, pdf available, on tree planting in the highlands, fantastic level of detail. 06:15:10 Peter Livingstone: NIce one thanks Hugh! 06:15:35 Hugh Chalmers: https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/media/44068/highlands-and-islands-woodlands-handbook.pdf 06:16:32 Ann McKillop: Farming cattle and grazing cattle are different. Grazers there to do a job, not kept for meat. 06:17:05 Hugh Chalmers: Conservation grazing is different from production farming... 06:19:07 Scott Ferguson: This in an interesting film about regenerative agriculture - https://kissthegroundmovie.com/ - although I know some of the contributers views are contentious. 06:19:12 Hugh Chalmers: Ann McKillop, exactly. 06:19:49 Duncan Halley: Norway has 80000 beavers, many farmers, and almost no conflict perception. The problem is almost wholly a social one. 06:20:41 David Shand: Most land in Scotland is owned by a few individuals - how do you persuade them to release land to rewild? 06:22:03 Jacqueline Fletcher: https://www.lynbreckcroft.co.uk/ 06:22:44 Duncan Halley: On 'too much science' - asking for 'more science' is often used to kick things into the long grass. Using science as a tool to get things done, fine - I spend my working life doing it - but getting things done is more important. I'd rather have an unmonitored restoration than no restoration at all. 06:23:47 Liz Murdoch: Like Bernard Planterose - " I am not an ecological purist?" 06:24:14 Bill Wilson: Restoring Biodiversity & Global Rewwilding is one of David Attenboroughs first actions we need to take to heal the Planet 06:24:37 Hugh Chalmers: Thanks Duncan, yes, we know more or less that we need to put all the elements of ecological restoration together to let natural processes work, (as per Aldo Leopold...) so lets just do it and then monitor what we can afford to do. 06:25:23 Liz Murdoch: One of the overlooked areas is often the restoration of soil. This needs something, soon. We may not reproduce the exact native ecology but we are starting to restore the soil from the last 1000years' abuse! 06:26:43 Emma Chapman: Aye to that! Soil blowing in the wind, has to stop. 06:26:50 Scott Ferguson: Would declaring an Ecological Emergency by Government be a positive step? 06:27:15 Duncan Halley: At the moment I'm writnig a huge proposal for restoration in the 'Green Deal' programme - €25 million. The call text says clearly we know what we need to know to restore nature, and the work we propose should not do any primary research - though it can monitor progress. So the EU at least gets the point. 06:27:25 Rachel Avery: @Scott Ferguson - not sure what difference that would make? (ala climate emergency!)? 06:27:27 Andy Robinson: Amen to that. 06:27:36 Nicky Hume: Well said Roy! 06:27:42 Hugh Chalmers: Great point Roy, don't allow landowners to hold land in a degraded state! 06:27:45 Rachel Avery: THANKS everyone!! 06:27:51 Bill Wilson: Roy - well said. We have to do it. 06:27:51 Hugh Chalmers: Thanks Matt, good session indeed. 06:27:52 Lee Paton: Brilliant discussion 06:27:54 Scott Ferguson: Climate emergency has made a difference in local government. 06:27:56 Jacqueline Fletcher: Hear, hear Roy! 06:27:57 Nicky Hume: Thanks to all, great discussion! 06:28:01 Douglas Dalgleish: Yes. what Roy said! 06:28:01 Mandy Meikle: Excellent debate - thanks all and vital for both sides to understand each other wrt natural capital. 06:28:03 Douglas Coulter: Great session. Food for thought. 06:28:09 Nicky Penford: Many thanks for great discussion 06:28:20 Liz Murdoch: Thank you everyone!! Brilliant 06:28:31 Scott Ferguson: Thanks to all the panelists - great discussion 06:29:35 Donald McPhillimy: Much of this discussion carries on every day over on the Rewilding Scotland Facebook group, set up and administered by Reforesting Scotland.. Join in! 06:29:42 Douglas Dalgleish: Those who have allowed their land to become degraded should lose it. 06:30:02 Nicky Hume: Welcome to anyone just joining us. Reforesting Scotland would love to see where viewers are joining us from today! If you would like to, please add your location to this map. Just click “add marker” at the top right. No need to include any personal details or your address, just your nearest Town or Village and an optional message: http://getethermap.org/m/reforesting-scotland-virtual-gathering-2020-attendees-map 06:30:34 Diarmid Harris: I agree entirely with what Roy said - compulsory purchase should be the new reality 06:31:04 Donald McPhillimy: Agree with Roy. The worst land practices should be forced to stop. The best landowners can be worked with. 06:32:17 Peter Livingstone: An exemplar big private landowner doing great things who we are working with down in the SW is Craigengillan Estate near Dalmellington 06:32:43 Peter Caunt: Fi are you really in a yacht off Ireland just now?!Peter 06:33:40 David Somervell: Any views on what Jeremy Leggett is planning up by Loch Ness? 06:34:27 Nicky Hume: I wondered the same Peter! Think it’s a map error 06:34:39 Donald McPhillimy: Gathering is going great. Well done guys! 06:35:13 Nicky Hume: Thanks Donald! 06:35:57 Susan McCamley: Really enjoying all the inspirational content. Missing seeing everyone, the informal chat, the lovely food, and the opportunity for a wee dance later on. Suppose me and wullie could clear the floor here. Thanks to the organisers for making this virtual gathering possible- much appreciated during these times of isolation. 06:36:56 Ben Catchpole: Are there many examples where compulsory purchase has worked well? Or any that have been used for rewilding on a larger scale? 06:37:32 Alan Carter: There will be a chance for some chat at the evening ceilidh, which will include breakout rooms 06:37:54 Duncan Halley: Creag Meagaidh came near to being 'compulsory purchase'? 06:38:15 Alan Carter: Unfortunately Zoom webinars don't support breakout rooms or we'd have had a few of them through the day 06:45:00 Scott Ferguson: I recently came across this film - https://www.greatgreenwall.org/about-great-green-wall - which I'm trying to arrange an online screeing of as part of a #WeeGreenScreen event I'm working on with Glasgow National Park City group. 06:51:46 Cathy Ashley: Chiclets! 06:59:41 Susan McCamley: All of us. Like that. 07:04:53 Susan McCamley: As you speak I’m thinking about connection and collaboration- it strikes me that our culture is disconnected and having to relearn how to collaborate, work in co-operation. And that disconnection is at the heart of our disconnect from nature. 07:08:30 Justin Kenrick: agree with Piers - community land ownership is a great example of communities having to negotiate with each other and regaining responsibility 07:08:55 Fi Martynoga: Thank you Justin. What you have been saying is really thought provoking. 07:09:29 Justin Kenrick: Agree with Susan that “disconnection is at the heart of our disconnect from nature” and we need to regain our ability to negotiate with each other, and realise we can CARE! 07:13:03 Scott Ferguson: Thanks - really interesting answers on citizen's assemblies. Completely agree about them having to hold the balance of power though. Evidence is that they are generally much more radical that politicians could ever be. Next step maybe community budgeting? 07:13:10 Jill Bowis: Urban Permaculture could make a profound difference in food resilience and community well being 07:13:20 Jacqueline Fletcher: I agree absolutely with Justin about cities. I’m in the Old Town, Edinburgh. We could do so much if we considered an urban ecology. 07:14:30 Jacqueline Fletcher: @Jill Bowls We do need to go beyond food for humans and food sovereignty to consider how we can ensure a biodiversity of wildlife in cities. 07:14:34 Jill Bowis: Regenerative Food growing should be in all our communities which would bring habitat biodiversity awareness increase at the micro level as well as far lower food miles even in rural areas 07:15:08 Susan McCamley: And somebody telling us what we can do… and what we cant. 07:15:37 Hugh Rose: Sheep farming has only existed for 200 years! You have missed out a 0! 07:15:39 Robert Sproul-Cran: Thanks to all panelists for those answers. Encompassed many of the internal debates I’ve been having. 07:15:40 Jill Bowis: Urban permaculture is about a great deal more than food but food is a first step for the general population engaged 07:15:56 Susan McCamley: We are nature. I agreee. 07:16:07 Jill Bowis: Food is medicine .. and is health .. 07:16:15 Lee Paton: "Traditions" can be created and discarded in a matter of a few years 07:16:23 Karin Chipulina: Its about empowering people, if people feel connected in cities or in rural areas with meaningful connections to nature, food production, the soil. 07:16:53 Hugh Chalmers: Hi Hugh Rose, perhaps he means 200 years of cheviot sheep in the highlands... 07:17:28 Susan McCamley: Maybe there is so much grief around here in Scotland that we need to hold on to what we know…. Rather than take risks and be adventurous. 07:17:54 Alan Carter: You need to send comments to 'All panellists and attendees' Stuart and Sarah 07:17:56 Susan McCamley: Eg the clearances, world war 1 and 11 etc etc. 07:18:17 Dave MacIntyre: What Justin says is similar to what has happened in Scotland - People historically forced off the land and now the result is much of our land being degraded and without the Forests. 07:19:17 Jacqueline Fletcher: Scotland is perfect for food forestry. In cities too. 07:20:01 Justin Kenrick: Totally agree David MacIntyre - and then those cleared from the land in England and Scotland were used to clear other communities from their land elsewhere in the world. We need to reverse that by reclaiming our land here and supporting others to recline their lad there. And we need to do it fast! 07:20:40 Mandy Meikle: As ever, it's all about scale. Productivity can be small and sustainable, right up to total extraction them move on once all is gone. As Justin said, it's not that we live, but HOW we live. 07:20:42 Susan McCamley: Were like any colonised people, loss of tradition, culture, language- leading to disconnect and then dependence on…..drink, drugs, shopping, loss of the belief that we can can do it together…ourselves. 07:20:59 Douglas Dalgleish: The formerly rural dispossessed, obliged to live in cities, lack access 07:21:15 Douglas Dalgleish: access to enough land. 07:21:38 Dave MacIntyre: Yes, often it's not so much grief as a sense of hopelessness 07:21:41 Rachel Avery: thanks everyone! 07:22:08 Jacqueline Fletcher: Thanks that was really good. 07:22:36 Hazel MacLean: good discussion, we are all nature, not separate! 07:23:23 Ninian Stewart: Great session Liz, Amanda and panelists - taking us out to see the global before returning to the national and local 🙏 with a broader perspective and some fire in our bellies🔥 07:23:42 Douglas Dalgleish: Justin's quote about forced removal from tribal homeland applies to the lived experience of Clearance in Scotland. 07:25:13 Liz Murdoch: @Douglas do you think things might be different with social media and smart phones? 07:26:38 Liz Murdoch: It’s worth mentioning that the COP 26 Coalition campaign has offered a platform for a variety of climate justice events, reports from around the world, and some fascinating footage made by first nations about their lands and the progress of initiatives to stop illegal deforestation. Using social media, equipped with drones and smart phones, there are people in Ecuador, Peru and Guatemala mapping new areas of deforestation – with a degree of anonymity - as it happens. This has been shown to have some effect on illegal activity. There are also organisations who can offer indigenous communities income streams from carbon sequestration credits if they upload this type of data of their own reforestation projects. If you’re interested in weblinks about associated issues and some short films produced for COP26 please contact Reforesting Scotland by email and we’d be happy to share the information we have. 07:27:30 Susan McCamley: Very lively and enjoyable discussion/ chat. 07:28:15 Jacqueline Fletcher: On the subject of urban ecology, here in the building where I live we have mice. The landlords are putting down poison. We had a problem with pigeon poo last year and measures were taken to move the birds on. If we could integrate our urban food production into a general urban ecology with plants for biodiversity of invertebrates and trees for owls and other predatory birds, with green corridors to help wildlife move around, we wouldn’t have a problem with ‘vermin’, wouldn’t need poison, because natural predation would take care of it. The same for pest management in community gardens. 07:29:17 Liz Murdoch: @Nìnian and Susan, thank you! 07:29:49 Douglas Dalgleish: @Liz. I have both but they don't resolve my need to identify with land. 07:32:16 Justin Kenrick: ho ho ho!! 07:32:29 Hugh Chalmers: just got it! ha ha 07:33:08 Justin Kenrick: zoom shirts are go! 07:33:31 Nicky Hume: looking forward to seeing flamingos in Knoydart Grant! 07:33:59 Donald McPhillimy: He's in his pyjamas! 07:35:22 Pat Bryden: Thrilled to hear about Knoydart ....last visited with two Zimbabwen women in 2000 just before their chaotic land takeover. Pat 07:38:44 Tracy Christie: Just remind me someone can we catch up with this later online - if we have to go and make the kids tea? 07:40:18 Nicky Penford: It is being recorded and will be available on the RS website so you can go at make the tea! 07:40:48 Tracy Christie: Great! Thanks 07:42:32 Douglas Dalgleish: Someone once observed that power devolved is power retained. 07:42:54 Alexander Hamilton: You can purchase a copy of Leaves - from www.studiesinphotography.com 07:55:50 Justin Kenrick: This discussion of how to hold the space is absolutely crucial 07:56:02 Justin Kenrick: building trust is fundamental 07:56:39 Justin Kenrick: On a related note, anyone interested in the peoples assembly approach to reworlding I was talking of earlier, please have a look at www.grassroots2global.org 07:56:50 Sarah Eno: Interesting that with Falkland that there isn't the same hungry more or less dispossessed community desperate for change which has driven the buy-ins at Eigg & Knoydart! 07:57:15 Justin Kenrick: agree with Grant, it is all about someone holding the space well, but also about their enabling others to do so 07:58:31 Hugh Chalmers: succession of directors etc, is the big challenge to all community type groups which I have been involved with